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Q&A with Robert Jensen

Q&A with Robert Jensen

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Robert is a professor in the School of Journalism at the University
of Texas at Austin and a board member of the Third Coast Activist Resource Center in Austin. He is the author of Plain Radical: Living, Loving, and Learning to Leave the Planet Gracefully. Jensen’s other books include Arguing for Our Lives: A User’s Guide to Constructive Dialogue; All My Bones Shake: Seeking a Progressive Path to the Prophetic Voice; Getting Off: Pornography and the End of Masculinity; The Heart of Whiteness: Confronting Race, Racism and White Privilege; Citizens of the Empire: The Struggle to Claim Our Humanity; and Writing Dissent: Taking Radical Ideas from the Margins to the Mainstream.
www.RobertWJensen.org @jensenrobertw

Q: Since your book Getting Off: Pornography and the End of Masculinity was first published in 2007, the trends you documented of increasing cruelty toward and degradation of women have continued unabated in porn. Yet there seems to be a discrepancy between the soaring popularity of this kind of explicit content and people’s views of it. Barna found that seven in 10 Americans 13 and older consider depicting someone in porn “in a demeaning way” is wrong; eight in 10 say porn with “sexual acts that may be forced or painful” is wrong; and nine in 10 say “sexual acts that are not consensual” portrayed in porn are wrong. What, if anything, can you make of this disconnect? 01

The results may mean that many of the people who use sexually explicit material that is openly misogynistic recognize that such images violate their own moral principles of respect, dignity and equality. These people might not endorse a feminist critique of that misogyny, or even know that such a critique exists, but they intuitively understand the power of that critical perspective.

Q: You have written about the “cruel boredom” of pornography, which continually ups the ante on brutality and humiliation to provoke an emotional response from male viewers and keep them coming back for more. Barna found that, among teens ages 13 to 17 (46%) and young adults ages 18 to 24 (42%), “boredom” is the second most common reason for seeking porn, behind “personal arousal” (the top reason among every age group). Thinking about your scholarly work in this area, how likely is it that the boredom expressed by younger porn users could up the ante even further? Why? 02

If the joy and passion of sex is about human connection, then it’s clear why pornography will always be “boring,” in the sense that it turns a complex human practice into something dull and repetitive. That’s why the images continue to get more cruel and degrading to women, and also more openly racist—pornographers need to counter the banality of sexually explicit material.
But boredom in this case perhaps reflects a larger way in which the hyper-mediated experience of young people—not just pornography, but video games, movies, television and other kinds of screens—fails to satisfy our needs for meaningful connection. The lives of many people are saturated with various kinds of stimulation that don’t meet deeper human needs, and in the end that likely is experienced as boredom.

Q: Another major theme in your work is the “end of masculinity,” by which you mean the end of our culture’s acceptance and even promotion of male dominance and aggression. Accord- ing to Barna’s survey, 16 percent of U.S. women and teen girls report actively seeking porn at least once per month. Do you think women using porn could be a hopeful sign for the end of masculinity—and if so, in what ways? Or if not, what do you see at work in the growing trend of women’s porn use? 03

I would like to see us abandon our celebration of masculinity and ask how male humans can stop worrying about “how to be man” and concentrate on simply being human. My critique of pornography is part of a larger feminist project of challenging male dominance throughout society, which requires us to critique masculinity. unfortunately, increased pornography use by women doesn’t further that goal. If the pornography that women use simply replicates the male-supremacist values of most sexually explicit material, then nothing is gained. If alternative forms of sexually explicit material avoid the misogyny, that’s an improvement, but it still leaves people seeking intimate human experience through a screen, and there’s no reason to think that is helping us create a more humane and flourishing culture.

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